And you expected what from China? You basically got what you paid for.
You
should have bought your son a nice bike from a reputable motorcycle dealer
in your area. Instead, you went cheap.....
--
Zyp
"Anonymous Sender" <anonymous@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> SUNL - low quality junk - no replacement parts and a useless warranty.
> It's not just the 'dealers', the machines themselves are junk.
>
> http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/sunl-c869.html
> 2 days ago by Don Lang
> Not sure yet about the quality as I just bought this via a private sale.
What I can say is it is very hard or so far impossible to find parts. The
200 cc ATV I purchased was missing the skid plate. For more than 2 weeks I
have tried to find this part. I have contacted the Cor****ate offices,
local
dealer, (who says he's not even a dealer), the NJ office, Houston,
Dallas...
I have talked to the National Sales Manager who just blew me off. Left
messages for every extension at the cor****ate office and just can't get a
simple part. I am now having it custom manufactured. I hope the ATV lasts
for 1 summer, that is all I expected. It had less than 1 hour use on it
when
I purchased it. The plastic was still on the seat. I can tell, I have been
in business for nearly 25 years and have never seen anything like this
company. Absolutely!!! BUYER BEWARE!!!
>
> http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/sunl-group-c13239.html
>
> Sunl Group
> Poor Quality product
>
> My son purchased a 110cc dirt bike from a distributor in WI with his own
hard earned money on 7-4/06.
> He was told that this was a high quality product built and designed
after
Honda. Well let me tell you
> this is not true. We have had nothing but problems since this bike was
purchased. After only driving
> this dirt bike 8 times, the frame broke and luckily he was not badly
injured. We have sent many hours
> and a great deal of money on repairing this bike.
> The worst now is the dealer will not stand behind this product and
repair
or assist in getting this
> bike issue resolved.
>
> http://dallas.bbb.org/commonre****t.html?bid=15000591&language=1
>
> ==
> SUNL's UNSATISFACTORY BBB record
> http://dallas.bbb.org/commonre****t.html?bid=15000591&language=1
> ==
>
> http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm/catid/10/threadid/513487
> Glad to have found this site to vent on. My son bought one of these
> from NYDiscountmotors on Feb. 19 on ebay. Nothing but problems since
> it came out of the crate. Starter wouldn't work, so he was jump
> starting it for about two weeks. Place was going to meet us halfway
> between NY and CT to fix problem, then tells me to take it somewhare
> and they will reimburse cost. Did that and the day before we took it
> all of a sudden the starter worked. Guy up here looked at it, couldn't
> find why it wouldn't start before, needed headlight replacement. Was
> never sent. Then they won't reimburse him the $90 because it was now
> working. Then agreed to pay half, still haven't gotten it. Body parts
> are broken off, cheap plastic, In March the chain broke, $38 to
> replace that with a good chain By beginning of May, rear brake pads
> completly gone. Another $68 to replace them, once the guy found ones
> that matched. Yesterday, the front wheel is now sheared right off the
> axle. Luckily he was going around a curve and not going fast. These
> are a piece of $1000 junk. He rides in the woods on trails he and his
> friends have made and these bikes are just not rugged enough for that.
> He had a Polaris 90 S****t we got used for $600. That on had been
> flipped, crashed, drowned and never broke off a body part. On this
> piece of crap the entire right side from front fender to back is in
> pieces and other parts are cracked. He has sure learned a
> hard lesson for a 14 year old. NY Discount motors response is
> basically you get what you pay for. They are really mad because I left
> neutral feedback on them. Just said good sale, shoddy product, email
> for info before bidding. Ruined there 100% positive rating. Have asked
> me to recind it, was considering it, until the wheel incident. Sorry
> to go on so long, but just needed to vent. I guess buyer beware is
> really true. Thanks
>
>
http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm/catid/10/threadid/518264.cfm
> All the bad things you have read about SUNL are correct, why bother
> with JUNK!
>
> Things I've had go wrong in the first 3 months:
>
> 1.) Chain broke after the "guard" squashed against it after casual
> trail riding...and I mean CASUAL.
> 2.) Bolts to the swing arm axle adjuster fell out after a day of
> CASUAL riding, used red thread lock to fix it, took an hour to find
> them in the field.
> 3.) Throttle cable got stuck after a day of attempted mud riding...my
> son held on for dear life!
> 4.) Frame developed a crack near the lower swing arm joint...hmmm.
> 5.) Gas tank developed a hair line crack after another day of CASUAL
> riding (this is when I decided it was no longer safe for my son to
> ride it).
>
> So, bottom line, if your having good luck with your SUNL, your among A
> FEW. Don't waste your money...that's all I'll say.
>
> http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/sunl-c869.html
> Buyer beware!
> In April of 2006 I purchased 6 ATV's from a SUNL dealer thru EBAY.
> This dealer, who I will not name, has been so very helpful. I have no
> complaints at all about him. He has sent me box after box of parts for
> free. What absolutely floors me, is how incredibly poorly these things
> are made. My kids are all average sized, ranging from 6 yrs old to 11
> yrs old. They only ride them on the weekends in our 4.5 acres of flat
> as can be grass yard. No jumps, tricks, rough riding, nothing. These
> things have been an endless headache for me. I seriously can't tell
> you how many hours and hours I have spent trying to make these things
> work. Here are just a few problems I have encountered: CONSTANT carb
> problems-float needles sticking open causing the carb to empty the
> entire fuel tank all over the ground/floor. Needles sticking shut
> causing the engine not to start. Fuel lines cracking and leaking all
> over the hot engine after only one month of riding. Dead batteries
> every weekend causing me to need to jump start them off of my battery
> charger just to get them going. All of them have had the chains break
> at least once. The frame on one of the 110's broke in half where the
> swingarm meets while my 60 lb daughter was riding it, luckily she was
> not hurt. All of them have had parts break, fall off, loosen up, etc
> for no reason. I got to the point where I was putting Loctite on
> everything! I could go on and on. At this point, only ONE of the SIX I
> purchased is running. They are parked permanently. Now, I knew that
> these were not going to be as good as the Hondas that I originally
> wanted to buy (the Hondas are 5 times the $), but I didn't think these
> things would be so terribly made and downright dangerous. In the end,
> I guess you do get what you pay for. BUYER BEWARE!
>
>
http://chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=6462&highlight=
> I was a SunL Dealer couldn't get parts at all and filed against them
> through my credit card company. Endless Journey Cycles Ohio
>
> http://myvento.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3544
> Just picked up a brand new 150cc scooter by SUNL. Got it cheap, but as
> I am finding out, getting replacement body panels are difficult to
> come by. I email SUNL in Texas but they don't respond. I email a
> distributor in City of Industry, California, and they too don't
> respond. It would appear the SUNL is another fly by night company or
> run out of someone's bedroom.
>
> http://www.atvnation.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t11020.html
> Run away from anything that says SunL on it. We used to deal in their
> scooters also and they were nothing but problems.
>
> http://www.myvento.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1763
> Arg! Well I still don't have the parts I need to fix my kickstarter. I
> can't get a hold of SunL's parts division (the switch board at SunL
> only picks up the phone when the parts division is closed, HA!).
> Brian, If your smart you will tear up Sunl's number and never call
> them again. They are THE WORST company when it comes to scooters.
>
> http://www.myvento.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=849
> One im****tant message to you. DO NOT look for any sup****t from
> SUNL. They are the worst in my opinion and I have been trying to deal
> with them since buying the bike last October.
>
> http://www.thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2007/FEB/complaint11889.cfm
> I purchased several mopeds to resale in my powers****t shop. Sunl has
> made promise after promise to send necessary parts which I ended up
> buying from a parts house. I needed mso's in order to get titles to
> the mopeds that I sold. I have had to purchase several mopeds back
> from the customers, which now I have a few used mopeds that I can't
> get titles to. Sunl contacted me informed me that the state of Florida
> is making them buy back all mopeds (as a credit) I purchased for what
> I paid for them, less ****pping. Now they say they are not going to buy
> them back, refuse to take my calls or return any of my calls. I hope
> that anyone that is thinking about buying from Sunl reads this and
> thinks twice about it they are built cheaper than other chinese
> products that I purchased from other distribitors. I have also heard
> rumor tha sunl has copied from another mfg the epa tags and put them
> on their own products which is why Florida wont accept any mso that I
> already have.
>
>
http://www.gokartsrus.com/go-kart_forum/viewtopic.php?t=443&sid=42ac0a15abd4b1b62fe155bc9c1c6090
> Many many phone calls all over the country dealing with rude
> receptionists and ignorant peaople, finally yielded the name and phone
> number of the GM over thier 4 US branches, Jeff Boudreaux at
> 1-866-423-1072. I spoke to him on Feb 14th and thought i was finally
> going to get somwhere, he refered me to Chris the Parts and Tech
> manager in Texas. Now about 10 e-mails later I have not gotten any
> resolution. Lotsa "gonnas" but no action. when I am done with this
> post I plan to get on the phone to Jeff again. Really a shame if they
> want to build a brand in the US, if they don't change and begin to
> listen to customers problems, address them with manufacturing changes
> and then stand behind thier product and make parts accessable they
> won't last long.I have had alot of communication with SUNL in Texas
> and do not get the responses I had hoped for, especially considering
> they are trying to build a brand here in the U.S. For example I have
> tried to get the missing washer that holds on the dust cap on the
> front hub for over a month now.... Nuthin. I have tried to find out if
> there is a clutch rebuild kit.... Nuthin. I could go on but won't.
>
> http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/sunl-c869.html
> These karts are junk. And if that isn't enough, just try getting parts
> for them. Even as a dealer, I couldn't hardly get any parts. I finally
> gave up and dumped the line. Stay away from SUNL. You will be doing
> yourself and your family a great favor.
>
> http://www.texasatvs.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-14204.html
> stay away from, me and my buddy used to sell them they have alot of
> problems Chassis breaking carbs falling off and sticking wide open one
> kid .. got hurt no to long ago and sunl is being sued over defects,
> spend the extra money and buy name brand
>
>
http://www.powers****tsnetwork.com/enthusiasts/review_detail.asp?rv=48461&veh=40198
> -- Pink Piece of Junk --
> I can't believe I actually bought this for my 8 year old daughter. She
> wanted to ride with me at the local track but I didn't want to spend
> any more money on an expensive quad so I decided to buy this. I am
> extremely disappointed because it only rides for a few hours before
> something goes wrong with it. Everything about this quad is awful. I
> would never buy another SunL ATV ever again.
>
>
http://www.powers****tsnetwork.com/enthusiasts/review_detail.asp?rv=47724&veh=38999
> -- SUNL Junk --
> Purchased a Hanma R6 for grandson for Christmas. Purchased 12/22/2006.
> Went through all the pre-ride checks and he received atv on
> 12/26/2006.
> No rough riding, no jumping, no high speeds and unit falling apart
> everyday. Welds breaking and bolts coming loose. Returned unit on
> January 4, 2007 and probably out the money, but SUNL is junk - DO NOT
> BUY IT. No warranty, no parts, and no service. Somebody needs to get a
> class action suit started on these guys to shut them down or get them
> straight before somebody dies.
>
>
http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm/catid/10/threadid/518264.cfm
> You get what you pay for...I bought a ATV 109 for my son, it served
> it's purpose for a couple of months. I got tired of fixing it after
> every ride. In general, they are junk.
>
>
http://www.atvtime.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=106869&sid=253c69a37fd42071a81a35477649ac99
> We bought a little SUNL about 2 months ago, something has fallen off
> or broke everytime we go riding. This last time, it was the frame. So
> we are sending it back and are looking at getting the Unison Desert
> Cat 90. So far I have heard alot of good stuff. We ride in sand
> mostly. My son is only 35 lbs and will be 8 this summer. We want
> something that we wont have to fix or tighten things on every time we
> ride.
>
> http://ridingarizona.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24677??
> We have some experience with "Chinese Quads". While they are cheaper,
> you have to be willing to put in the time in maintaining them. They
> take A LOT more maintenance than regular bikes. Things rattle off and
> parts break easily on a regular basis. You have to know how to fix
> them and it is difficult to get certain parts. It takes a lot of
> patience in getting on line and calling places to find parts. Many
> times we have ordered parts for them to be back ordered for months and
> we never get them. It was really hard to find tires and wheels for our
> little one and we ended up having to wait about 7 months before we
> found the right ones.
>
>
http://ridingarizona.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=211831&TOPIC_ID=21612&FORUM_ID=10
> I bought a SunL 50cc quad for my 5 year old stepdaughter less than a
> year ago. I too did not want to spend $2k on a 50cc quad, especially
> if she turned out not to be interested in riding it. My first
> impression was that it had a stout motor for a 50cc., had a decent
> looking rear disc brake, electric start, remote start, remote kill
> switch, pretty neat I thought. I soon realized that what I had was a
> total pile of crap.
>
> * The suspension is nothing more than springs - there is no
> appreciable damping in the "shock". Makes for precarious handling
> characteristics thru any sort of appreciable bumps.
> * The throttle stop, at its full-in position, still allows the bike to
> haul a**.
> * There is no parking brake, and it will walk away at normal idle
> levels.
> * Not that the brake is much use, which was surprising, as it's a
> hydraulic disc brake (rear only, no front brake at all). It will slow
> the bike down eventually, but it's not even strong enough to lock the
> rear wheels pulled fully to the grip. Yes, I bled it, no improvement.
> * There is no gas tank petcock. A piece of plastic from the cheapo gas
> tank lodged itself in the float seat, causing it to piss gas out the
> float vent. There was no vent tube, so the gas was leaking on the hot
> cylinder head. Only solution given a lack of the right tools to remove
> the plastics at the time was to drain the gas tank before putting it
> back on the trailer.
> * With the help of the springboard suspension and some uneven bumps
> (common to offroading), my daughter managed to flip it over. Now the
> steering shaft is bent.
>
> She's ridden it at maybe 8 outings total, and it is now a total piece
> of garabage. During the last 4 outings, I've spent more time fixing it
> than she has riding it, cutting out my riding time as well. Now that I
> know she's into riding, she will be getting a quality quad for her
> birthday in a couple months.
>
> So, in conclusion, if you don't ride very hard, or if you do ride hard
> but don't venture far from camp and can put up with a constantly
> breaking motorcycle or quad, the chinese models may be what you're
> looking for.
>
> http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/sunl-c869.html
> 7 days ago by Brandy Jenson
> I bought 2 four wheelers for my two daughters for a Christmas present
> from sunl the first thing that happened was when they were delivered
> one of them was the wrong color it was suppose to be pink and it was a
> hunters camo yellow for a boy and this was a Christmas present for my
> daughter and i hand her this boy looking four wheeler i contacted sunl
> and they said they didnt have the one i ordered so just sent me the
> wrong one hoping i would be happy well i was not it took from the end
> of nov.To just a few days ago to get the new body that i ordered i am
> so disappointed with these four wheeler every time we attempt to ride
> them they literally fall apart both of them are a piece of junk all
> the problems i read you had i have had the same things wrong with mine
> and every time i try to contact them they are full of excuses i think
> they're waiting for the year warranty to be up so then theres no
> chance of getting any help from sunl we bought these and they dont
> even run and were suppose to just say oh well we got ripped off its
> not fair we should get a refund or something i feel like we totally
> got ripped off.33 days ago by Jennifer McArdle
>
> The fact that these four wheelers are poorly made is absolutely true,
> and to add headache to injury, the dealer who sold my daughter's to me
> neglected to mention the laws and statutes concerning appropriate size
> for age class, the required education cl***** and registration
> do***entation. So not only is the product poorly constructed, but due
> to the laws where I live and the fact that I would use it at public
> locations, my child is completely unable to use it. Which I guess
> isn't so bad considering the safety issues that other Sunl owners have
> experience. Stay very far away from the Sunl products!! do not make
> the same mistake that I did.
>
>
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/hanma-r6-atv-poor-quality-c3998.html
> HANMA R6 ATV - poor quality
> Complaint Rating: 67 % with 3 votes
> Purchased SUNL Hanma R6 December 22, 2007..given as Christmas gift to
> 6 year old 54 pound (24.49 kg) grandson. He received gift on December
> 26th.
>
> The recommended inspection before riding was completed on December
> 24th per the checklist in the owners manual. In addition to pre-ride
> inspection all bolts and nuts were checked for tightness. One bolt was
> found missing in rear muffler hanger and a number of bolts were loose.
> The nuts that attach the muffler to the engine head were loose and
> also tightened. Lug nuts on wheels were also checked for proper
> torque.During pre-ride inspection what looked to be a small crack was
> noted on rear rack bracket.
> Per instruction booklet motor break in procedures were followed by
> setting throttle at approximately half throttle for first ten hours.
> Youngster rode with father who was on a Kawasaki quad and father
> insured that engine speed was varied and that constant low speed was
> avoided However, unit was never broken in due to a total of ten hours
> not being completed. The vehicle held together only long enough for
> one tank of fuel and part of another tank to be used.
>
> December 26th: Rear muffler bolt came loose and was lost. Bolt
> replaced. Rear rack bracket broke and rack went forward into plastic
> body housing breaking plastic body.
>
> December 27th: Keeping muffler tight continued to be a problem and
> muffler was wired because muffler bracket broke. Battery case latching
> system broke.
>
> December 28th: Chain came off and had to be replaced and retightened
> and muffler continued to work loose at engine head.
>
> December 29th: front rack mounting broke and bolts holding muffler on
> engine head came loose and were lost, This was the end of using the
> unit. Unit was returned to dealer on January 4th.
>
> The unit is sold as an all terrain vehicle for off use road only. This
> unit was never subjected to any excess weight, nothing was carried on
> either rack, and the unit was never subjected to any severe treatment
> such as jumping or high speed operation in rough terrain, or for that
> matter even over mild terrain.. Unit was operated in field and pasture
> conditions in a rural area. None of the areas would be considered
> extreme or severe terrain. Overall the unit was operated in what would
> be considered mild territory for any off road or all terrain vehicle.
> The dealer has stated that the damage to the unit appeared to be
> "impact" damage. There was never any impact with any object other than
> those that were attached to the unit and fell off and impacted some
> other part of the unit such as the rear rack hitting the plastic body.
> I have absolutely no complaints at all about the engine other than the
> muffler not staying on the unit. Engine started easily every time and
> ran excellent. Brakes worked well and transmission seemed to perform
> flawlessly. However, I would add that the unit has not operated the
> full 10 hours as recommended for break in.
> The major problem I see is that the tubing used in the construction of
> the frame and racks is of extremely poor quality. With such little
> operating time under such mild conditions and seeing all of the welds
> break and other frame problems I am concerned that a major frame
> component could fail. Failure of a major part such as swing arm or
> other steering component could result in sever injury or even death to
> the rider and even low speeds. Don't waste your money, or chance your
> kids life.
>
> ===
>
> Broken axle
>
http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=502256&highlight_key=y&keyword1=sunl
>
> Broken frame....SUNL stalls
>
http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=488738&highlight_key=y&keyword1=sunl
>
> SUNL 90....another broken frame
>
http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=495060&highlight_key=y&keyword1=sunl
>
> SUNL mini 90....broken swingarm
>
http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=480312&highlight_key=y&keyword1=sunl
>
> SUNL 250 .... engine and welds break
> http://www.buggynews.com/topic3638.html?highlight=sunl
>
> SUNL class action lawsuit
> http://www.buggynews.com/topic7088.html?highlight=sunl
> http://www.buggynews.com/topic2812.html
>
> SUNL 250 motor mounts breaking
> http://www.buggynews.com/topic2358.html?highlight=sunl
>
> http://thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2006/SEP/complaint10071.cfm
> http://thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2006/AUG/complaint9789.cfm
> http://thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2006/AUG/complaint9797.cfm
> http://thesqueakywheel.com/complaints/2006/MAR/complaint8614.cfm
> http://www.ripoffre****t.com/re****ts/ripoff189635.htm
> http://www.ripoffre****t.com/re****ts/ripoff229543.htm
> http://www.ripoffre****t.com/re****ts/ripoff184006.htm
> http://www.ripoffre****t.com/re****ts/ripoff103437.htm
>
>
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